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 No.11376[Reply]

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I'm sure I've created a thread like this before, but how much of politics is really debatable?

If you are a capitalist, you take a limited liability corporation and that corporate person's capacity to control private property as most needing honor.  Although people might tell others this system more efficiently manages resources than any other, implying perhaps that honor belongs to corporations only by deduction, politics feels in general to be something of a religious debate.  And it is impolite to denigrate another's religion.  (I don't mean to pick on free market folks in particular.)

I guess in order for a political matter to be debatable (in a productive way), there must be generally agreed upon values and people's political assertions should not be something like religious faith.  How often would you say that's the case, or what might indicate this is or is not the case?  What's the best strategy when you can't debate politics?
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 No.11431

>>11430
Imagine you want to play a game of tennis, and two strangers offer that they'd like to play with you, separately.

The first comes to you as you're waiting, racket in hand, totally naked. He then holds out a cement brick and refers to it as his 'tennis ball'. He asks if you want to serve first. He then states that he will use his psychic powers to hit the 'ball' back at you if you go first.

The second similarly comes out to you as you wait. Everything seems normal other than how he's accompanied by a spectator not previously announced. You shake hands, and the spector holds out a submachine gun. You're now informed that whomever loses the game is to be immediately executed for their failure.

This is what debating politics amount to.

First, we have entirely different views of what factual reality exists in the world to the point where we might as well be literal space aliens to each other.

Second, the punishment for failing to properly achieve a political cause is literally either direct physical harm or death (not always, but often enough and especially on the biggest issues such as abortion and gun rights).

 No.11433

>>11431
I've seen politics where people have what I would consider strange ideas, and if people are quite happy with their ideas, even if they are not my ideas, I can accept them.

For the second case, I feel people have a right to self-defense that goes beyond politics.  If the political folks try to shoot you, you should tell them you don't care for that.

 No.11545

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>>11376
words are illusions of power
that are exploited in the world that is also an illusion
we don't live in the world, we live in hell.
that is truth of politics.

 No.11522[Reply]

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Let's try a thread where you answer the question: "How are you?"  Your answer need not contain detail.  Your state will be grouped into at least three categories based on how good you seem.  Sympathy will be offered if you seem mostly bad.  Gladness will be shared if you seem mostly good.  If uncertain, a part of your answer may be repeated with a phrase such as "I see that you are" added.  If you do not welcome this process you may specify that you opt out and request no response to your post.  This preference must be clearly specified, welcoming response will be considered the default.

Other unspecified discourse may occur based on the discretion of users.  If you do not care for this thread, for whatever reason, you must create a new thread to discuss your issue.  This thread is not for existential discussions of this thread.

 No.11533

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>>11522
Probably one has to prime the pump, as a metaphor.

>How are you?
I've been better.

 No.11538

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>>11533
>I've been better.
I see that you've been better, Magnificent Octopus.

-

Perhaps I am asking for too much information.  I'll create another social thread without the status request.

 No.11445[Reply]

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I've heard people say that because of tipping culture, the service worker will do better trying to serve the customer to get as high as a tip as possible.

But is this actually true?

Do you know if the service in say an average American bar is way better than in an average European or Asian bar?

Also, feel free to share your thoughts on tipping culture in general.
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 No.11476

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So the concept of "quiet quitting" has been coming up lately, and I'm thinking of it together with the idea of "better tips better service". I'm going to consider "refusing to do your job well without a little something on the side from the end client" a more toxic but less cringeworthy version of "quiet quitting". And my question is this:

Don't these people have managers or supervisors? Isn't there somebody whose job it is to make sure the required work gets done to a satisfactory quality?

I'm not faulting the workers here but rather a rash of passive management that I've noticed has become more prevalent. Of course workers aren't going to go above and beyond if you just shove them in a box half trained with a rough idea of what they're supposed to do and then go home. If you don't give a crap then why should they? You're the one here who is actually invested in this operation going well, they're just punching a clock. Instead everybody is laser focused on some spreadsheet that came from on high with some arbitrary metrics that are ambiguations of how somebody else did something else so we must meet these same metrics too.

Walk the floor. See how the staff treat the customers, and if there is a problem either fix them or fire them. Stop expecting your customers and your employees to do your job for you.

 No.11477

>>11476
I feel the problem with quiet quitting is just that companies are just constantly downsizing and squeezing every penny out of their workforce while work schedules and demands are getting more and more eggregious.

I feel every worker should have the drive to perform their work properly, but it's necessary the workers can work in a proper environment, no expenses are spared to give people the tools to do their job and there is plenty enough organisation that people can find time to close off the work for the day.

But companies are downsizing, taking up new obligations, but refusing to expand the workforce or provide the proper tools. And there are working spaces where there is no more room for respect and kindness.
And then people are surprised when the workers refuse to take on all that extra workload for free?

Quiet quitting to me doesn't sound like unsupervised workers loafing around and not doing their work. It sounds like the bosses want their workers to work 18 hours per day and do it with a smile, while their pay gets cut in half again.

 No.11507

My work promotes the notion of tipping to workers, yet few people actually tip.  Those who do tip generally tip so little as to be a negligible supplement to income.  Those few people who tip well are so few and far between as to be an anomaly yet drive up the averages from ~2% tip rate to ~5% tip rate.  I make zero additional effort for tips because I know that my effort has almost no bearing on tip rates.  Also, people who outright say they will tip generally don't, and are in fact just looking for additional unpaid effort or special favors out of the worker.  After their service ends, they will simply "forget" to tip, and the extra effort/favors will be for nothing.  Tipping is simply used as a hypothetical benefit to equivalent employment and as a substitute for real income paid by the employer.  As such, I accept tips, but I do not "work for tips."

 No.11486[Reply]

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I'm reading books about the Chinese use of surveillance technology.  The Chinese state-truth is that these technologies are helping prevent terrorism, separatism, and religious extremism.  While I'm sure the books I'm reading would be condemned by the Chinese state as western propaganda, and I suppose we are to be as respectful as possible, some believe instead surveillance is being used by the state to oppress, torture, and eradicate Uyghurs in China, and sometimes outside China.

I used to have a job in electronics security about 15 years ago [in the USA], and I didn't see anything too worrying.  Camera systems were buggy, somewhat analog, and required authorities to physically transfer files when something of interest happened.  But everything has improved since then.

Do you worry about the increase in surveillance technology, or do you think some groups should worry?  Or do you instead think this technology is making the world safer -- for everyone?

 No.11487

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>>11486
Like all technology, surveillance cameras can be used both for good and for evil.

 No.11488

>>11487
I guess we are moving into the abstract, so how are good and evil summed?  That is, if tech is used for 1/2 good and 1/2 evil, should we worry about the evil, or consider it a net neutral and of no concern?

 No.11489

>>11486
I don't trust states with it.
Helps that governments have historically done more damage than terrorists, separatists, and your typical criminals.

Ultimately cameras can do significant good.
But the downside to them is whoever controls them can omit the parts that don't like.
Bodycams are the most obvious example

 No.11478[Reply]

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Lately I have following a bit more than usual news coming the USA, specially those about an specific ex-president and his careless management of documents.

However, lately Youtube has been suggesting me news from both right and left leaning media about how some governors in that country are playing hot potato with people coming from my country, I mean people that I could actually walk by while doing errands downtown but for some reason they decided to enter the USA.

Does anyone could tell me what is going on?

Left media seems to be blaming Texas governor for sending those people to a very fancy place called Martha's Vineyard and other locations around the country.

Right media is calling out the alleged hypocrisy of people living in those places for not offering accommodation in a place that supposedly can due to its status as touristic hotspot.

Regardless, quite sad all of this if you ask me...    
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 No.11483

>>11478
The long and short of it goes; People who aren't affected in the slightest by things are suddenly affected, and they don't like it.

People calling it "human trafficking" is funny to me, given the state's been relocating people with little to no say like this for ages.
And not even non-citizens, as memory serves New York got in big trouble a while back for doing it with their homeless.

 No.11484

>>11483
Does that make it ok to do?

 No.11485

>>11484
It makes me uninclined to care.
As others have said, it's a publicity stunt to demonstrate hypocrisy.
The harm done seems quite mild, and again, because of hypocrisy, ignored on the other side.

Ultimately I find no cause to care for the moral outrage of those who lack principle.

 No.11468[Reply]

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This is a tread for ponies who do not need a college degree to be happy.  Or maybe more generally for ponies who learn and succeed without feeling a need to involve state authorities.

It's not really a debate, if we suppose happiness is subjective and the best authority on happiness is oneself.  If you wish to debate either of these suppositions, you may start a new thread.  It's more a support thread.
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 No.11472

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>>11471
I'm okay.  Do you follow any rats/postrats/TPOT on Twitter?

 No.11473

>>11472
Not really much on twitter.  I do Facebook a bit, but I mostly keep to myself.  I want to do an original take on ponies (so nobody can stop me from expressing myself because of copyright) and stick to posts about science, technology, math, and nature on social media, and write about books in the public domain.  I find what I create is boring to most people, and I'm working on accepting that and not feeling sad.

Do you like Twitter?  What kinds of things do you write about on Twitter?

 No.11474

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>>11473
Picture that was suppose to go with the post.

 No.11456[Reply]

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Evildoers must be punished [by authorities].  That is the essence of Justice.

Evil ponies are those that choose evil.  Evil is not a misunderstanding, or the result of mental illness or brainwashing, or a pony that harms only because that harm was the lesser evil they were allowed to choose [eg. trolly problem].  Evil can only be a conscious, active choice when good was an option.

I guess...do I have that correct?  And if so, what can be said of this evil or is it beyond reckoning?
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 No.11466

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>>11464
>Is it not the role of authorities to settle what is evil in cases with disagreement
Yes, that is supposed to be their role, but they are not always perfect at it.  Sometimes the authorities themselves are evil, for example, when they impose and enforce gun-control laws.

 No.11467

>>11463
If you follow the blog post you don't see evil as a moral choice.  You would see it as behavior subject to conditioning.  Perhaps that's part of what is confusing to me, because the views of evil require totally different kinds of thinking.

 No.11469

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If it weren't ME doing evil, someone else would be here doing it worse! My evil has scruples, and if I stopped doing it, that void would be filled by someone without those scruples!

 No.11175[Reply]

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I've been going through some books on rampage violence in America.  It's a subject on people's minds on social media, and is generally one of the top 5 or so common debate topics in the USA.

Different ideas about the shape of the curve in the graph [image] account for much disagreement.  You first have to ask what sources may be admitting in filling out the graph, potentially including feelings as a source.

Another element of the debate is over natural rights.  I personally don't see a lot of room for rigor in theories of natural law and natural rights.  But in theory, all the particulars to a God-given right to private arms are self-evident and only tyrants have anything to add.

You are free to share your opinions.  I think I'm in a discovery phase on this issue.
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 No.11436

>>11435
>>11432
Oh, and I guess I should link Ctrl+Pew as well.
Guy actually designs some bits from time to time, memory serves, and is also probably a better goahead for finding the raw files if you're so inclined.

 No.11437

>>11435
>>11436
Thank you for the videos.

 No.11443

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>>11432
>I've only ever heard that 3D printed weapons are pieces of garbage and fail after being fired once, though, so if you disagree with this please let me know why and show links.
Depends.  If you 3D-print a barrel out of PLA, you're going to have a bad time.  But in the US, only the receiver is the regulated part.  You can 3D-print an AR-15 lower receiver and buy the rest of the parts.  You can't 3D-print a whole gun out of plastic -- at least the barrel and firing pin need to be metal.  There are 3D printers that can print metal, but they are very expensive.  

 No.11320[Reply]

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Fluttershy knows best.

Question: should the recent overturn of Roe v. Wade be looked at in isolation -- a technical Supreme court issue of no great concern to non-experts -- or does it signal deeper meaning about human rights, state political directions, or concerns over American demographics (Elon Musk: “Population collapse is potentially the greatest risk to the future of civilization.”)?

Do you think other supreme court rulings based on the 14th Amendment (&etc.) will also be found to have been mistaken in the near future?
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 No.11440

>>11439
It is true that there's some flaw in arguing for abortion only on the exotic cases of the pregnancy posing a danger to the mother.

But even outside those cases, it's worth to ask whether a woman should be forced to carry a baby if they are not in a good place to be a mother (too young, too old, having mental/physical disability / not able to provide a good environment for a kid /...)
heck, if they refuse the responsibility for taking care of the baby/kid, should they still be forced to bring a baby in the world?

 No.11441

>>11440
It's not exotic, pregnancy IS dangerous. Of course we have better medical care now than we did in the past, but there are many complications and reasons why a women may decide to not become pregnant. But there's also those grey areas, that that video mentions, where what if the women goes into labor and the doctors know, KNOW, the child is not going to live outside of the womb. Can they abort? Maybe, but some doctors or nurses may hesitate for fear of getting sent to jail or prison, risking their own careers and lives. And then the mother dies as well.

Or all these people who are not able to get life changing, or saving, medications because those medications are capable of causing abortions.

There are too many grey areas, and no experts on the matter (doctors) seem to have been allowed to weigh in and provide more clear answers and solutions to those grey areas.

 No.11442

>>11325
The problem is that the US is a common law country. What you say is completely valid... in a country following a Napoleonic Legal code like France and the rest of Continental Europe where disputes are resolved by statutes and laws are written in a rigidly codified format. We follow an English legal tradition where disputes and discrepancies are resolved by tradition and by the courts. An argument that judges shouldn't be deciding doctrine is less an argument against a particular ruling and more an argument against the Constitution and the Anglo-American legal system.

 No.11195[Reply]

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If Christian nationalism is something to be scared of, they’re lying to you. And they’re lying to you on purpose, because that is exactly the temperature change that is happening in America today, and they can’t control it. They can’t control it, and that’s what terrifies them the most.

You see… if we’re going to label it Christian nationalism, this movement will actually be the movement that stops the school shootings.

This will be the movement that stops the crime in our streets.

This will be the movement that stops the sexual immorality, and teaches children and brings them up in traditional families and loving homes.

This will be the movement that protects kids innocence and nurtures them into responsible adults that grow up to be successful moms and dads wanting to pursue a family of their own.

This will be the movement that that finally does something about our debt, because it’s something that all of us should be ashamed of. It should have never happened.

This will be the movement that cares about broken and lost communities. Communities that are always forgotten about. Christians should never forget about those people and we don’t. So while the media is going to lie about you and label “Christian nationalism,” and they’re probably going to going to call it “domestic terrorism.” I’m going to tell you right now, they’re the liars. And if anybody’s a domestic terrorist, it’s the radical left. They are the domestic terrorists.

We can even say the Democrats are the domestic terrorists because they funded them, and they burned down our city streets and rioted in 2020. So if we’re going to put labels on people, we should put labels where they appropriately belong, not on Christians, and not on people who love their country and want to take care of it.
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 No.11207

What exactly is the point of going to a My Little Pony website to spout Nazi propaganda? Is this supposed to be humor? Or is this meant to scare people? Can't this thread be locked already?

 No.11275

>>11195
Pretty sure the American south is a glaring counterpoint to your stupid theocratic claims. Not even that I'm against 100% of the ideas, but it's an idea that's already failed.

 No.11357

>>11205
Just like the lgbt community :^)

 No.11166[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

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I'm reading a book about Oculus, which is an interesting subject in itself.  Anyway Oculus was sold to Facebook, and following Facebook finding out that Oculus founder Palmer Lucky supported Donald Trump, the Facebook CEO required that Lucky cease support for Donald Trump or resign.  Sadly, it was further found that Lucky ceased to be useful to Oculus even after following this dictate.

So I suppose I can ask a more general question:

Do people who are corporations have a right to choose associations based on the association's political opinions?  That is, should corporations be allowed to fire or refuse to hire people based on who they vote for or which politicians they like?

Alternately, do people who are not corporations have such a right?  For example, some people don't eat at Chic-Fil-A because they (he? she?) support(s) Republican causes.  Is that OK?

(Also, is anyone else struggling with language now that corporations are people?  Like, I tried to google how corporations identify their gender but found...nothing, really.)
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 No.11314

>>11312
What do you want to do me as punishment for what you perceive as my inferior mental state compared to you? Serious question. Ugh.

 No.11315

Just going to leave this and then leave the chat here for good:

https://www.advocate.com/transgender/2022/5/06/here-are-trans-americans-killed-2022-so-far

 No.11316

>>11313

Titles of this nature are usually about 80% exaggerated clickbait. Welcome to the modern information age, where exaggeration and clickbait reign supreme ;-;. Reading the article actually tells you more nuance, albeit with a very clear bias from the author.

>>11314
I already told you what i want you to do. It's right there in my tiny post.

1) seek professional help to manage your potential anxiety/delusions to prevent you from doing something dangerous.

2) tell me what you think my political ideals are, since you seem to think i have a side, i'd like you to tell me what you think my side is, what my political ideals are, because i'm genuinely curious as to what this twisted image you have of me is.

3) Work on your reading comprehension

I never said anything about punishment, or perceiving you as mentally inferior. There's a difference between being a bit dull and dumb, and being unhinged and psychologically unwell. I perceive you as being delusional, not dumb. I believe you refuse to engage with your higher brain functions because you've built yourself an ideology house, and you refuse to leave it, rationalizing anything you see into place like a hammer forces a nail. Many people do this, to be honest, it's the nature of the house you've built, one that i believe may lead you to violence, that worries me.

 No.11160[Reply]

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In the Western world, there's often an obligation for kids to take up a fulltime education in schools. Some kids have the option to do homeschooling, but even then you are obligated to follow a set curriculum.
While you are allowed to take up a part time employment during your teenage years, there will be restrictions in how much hours you can be employed.

With all the criticism on education and the concerns of the state encroaching on the freedom of the individuals, do you think we should do away with this system?
Should people be free to choose whether to enroll their kids into schools and be free to allow home schooling or self education in the curriculum of their desire if they wish?
Should we perhaps look into options of apprenticeships in the actual workforce rather than a forced curriculum or even open up fulltime employment opportunity for kids of all ages if they so desire?

If a standard education would become optional, should we relieve our society of the value of a preset education? As such should standards for education become a privilege rather than a fundamental right? (id est, kind of like college right now, it will be more of a private school situation with heavier costs if you wish to pursue it, but with the basics picked up from homeschooling and apprenticeships you're encouraged enough to be productive)
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 No.11165

>>11162
Your post seems to address a lot of ideas.  I don't know a lot, but in many places parents may home-school, although the students are still required to get tests to see if they are learning.  I think your example contrasts in giving parents the right to educate their children in a specialty and neglect other subjects.

The problems with child labor, I suppose, are really problems of labor in general: workplace safety, the only available work not helping you learn or develop, and exploitation given power hierarchies.  I guess the conventional view is adults may appropriately make choices that involve these areas, children mostly may not.  You could argue children sent out to the coal mine weren't subject to any greater or lesser harm than adults, so why the age-related views?  But I don't know.  I studied some child psychology, but it's a difficult science because you can only get scientific validity for tiny pieces.  And the questions are often in a form like yours - "what is harmful to a child's well-being?"   Well, that depends on what you consider a healthy child and healthy adult.  If a healthy adult is a coal miner or coder with maximum experience, start early.  If it's something more flexible, another approach.

If you want my opinion, it's that deleting K-12 would be a mistake.  Sure some gifted children with attentive parents would do fine, perhaps even better.  Will students with uneducated parents or overworked parents do better?  When the quality or availability of public education goes down, do things get better historically?

 No.11188

>>11160
Typically most children who are home schooled have the privilege of such choice as the opportunity usually falls upon if they and their families have freedom for a set of circumstances ie; having the free time and knowledge ability/application. As such, a home school curriculum would generally follow a template based upon an already established general school system, with the freedom to make inclusions or omissions as they see fit.
Privilege in the sense of opportunity not everyone has.
The general education system is far from perfect and could use reform imo, albeit I would go as far to say standard education should be a right as the system is set up and streamlined to be accessible to all. We are privileged to have readily accessible schools in the west, and for the sake of equality it is our right to be able to attend.
Apprenticeships and labor should be exempt from an obligation, as like higher education, its presence is there to bolster and support those that wish to actually pursue such.
>If a standard education would become optional, should we relieve our society of the value of a preset education?
Having standard education become optional would essentially broaden the gap between it being a right as the bar would be set higher, diminishing the right as standard and higher education are separate.

 No.11217

I feel like people should be broadly free to pursue their own educational goals without interference from either any level of government or any other powerful institution standing in the way.

At the same time, desperate inequality means that some kind of radical wealth redistribution so that the lower fifty percent or so of the population isn't reduced to ignorant slavery at the hands of the absolute richest and strongest. Ideally, a universal basic income would allow for self-lead efforts at learning. And specific organizations with state backing can and should work to actually facilitate education. I think. With choice being key.

 No.10927[Reply]

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This is not ideological, political, social, religious, philosophical, or anything of the sort, but it's a serious topic so this is the place to bring it up probably.

Recent news came out about the head of NASA, Bill Nelson, asking the U.S. government for an investment of $26 billion for the fiscal year 2023.

What are the goals? Main thing appears to be the NASA Artemis III mission, which aims for a scheduled 2025 moon landing. Other important advances are coming.

Is this a good idea? I'm personally not sure if establishing a permanent human presence on the Moon is a good investment of time, money, and resources? What else should be happening? Thoughts?

< https://www.clickorlando.com/news/space-news/2022/05/03/watch-live-at-10-am-bill-nelson-testifies-about-26-billion-nasa-budget/ >
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 No.11101

>>11088
That's the transit costs in relation to how much they brought back.
They didn't bring much to begin with, and besides that, they weren't in a dedicated cargo hauler.
Real prices will be significantly lesser

 No.11102

>>11101
Especially if there aren't humans aboard.

 No.11189

Research and development from NASA in recent years has been in expanding horizons and furthering understanding of the solar system.
The Mars rover yielded a multitude of excavation finds, but nothing really broadening horizons.
The initial Moon landing was an achievement fueled by research but also the race.
The technological advancement since then is tremendous, so it makes sense to want to revisit a landing. Competition is a substantial driving force.
I think investment in such a project would yield more opportunity for future expansion beyond mining and excavation.
If NASA doesn't set up Moon base, somebody else will.

 No.11109[Reply]

...i watched a documentary today, while exercising, and i got very engrossed in it. it was called, American Factory, on the Netflix.

i do not watch much netflix, but i had this strongly recommended, so i watched it.

...it is about an American factory that shut down, and was replaced by a Chinese owned and operated factory, but in the United States

it showed the cultural differences between America and China... and much more. i felt the translations were a bit unfair, but i do not think the ... interpretations of the cultures were far off point.

as an asian american... Chinese/Taiwanese American, to be precise, i felt very torn between two worlds i can recognize.

i wonder... have you seen this documentary? maybe you can watch this trailer to get a sense.

and maybe, we can discuss!

i'd like to think this is not a very political discussion or anything, and its not a debate.
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 No.11157

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Reading through this thread I just want to comment that I find a lot of arguments about collectivism vs individualism kinda pointless and rooted in a flawed reductionist framing wherein the two concepts are treated as mutually exclusive and that cultures are treated as exclusively one or exclusively the other when in reality most cultures fall somewhere in between the two and analyzing and comparing cultures is more productive when one ask questikns like how each culture is collectivist or individualist or when it's more one than the other.

Would certainly be a whole hell of a lot better (and frankly more honest) than stand-offish arguments about whether or not one should even exist or arguments over who's was worse. It's especially absurd given that there really isn't such a thing as a truly homogeneous culture.

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>>11157
Personally, I'm an absolutist about individualism.
So it'd probably not pan out any different for me.

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>>11157
Not gonna lie, every time I post here I worry that some day this place is going to show up on the evening news.

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"3D video games are running enough math to compute and draw an entire three-dimensional world with tens of millions of triangles and complex interacting physics, and they're doing it SIXTY TIMES EVERY SECOND (at least! More than twice that if you're using a 144Hz monitor). That is, they're doing it once every ~16.67 miliseconds. (6.95ms at 144 frames per second). Consider that fact, next time you open some boring 2D software on your computer and it takes a couple seconds to load a dozen flat buttons and images, and then you click on a menu and it inexplicably hitches for a few hundred milliseconds."

More at: https://AstralCodexTen.substack.com/p/why-do-people-prefer-my-old-blogs/comment/6403268
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This person may know nothing at all about computers. I don't know anything about computers but I know enough to disregard anything that they say on the topic.

Visual rendering happens almost entirely on the GPU, as stated above. Less stated is that 3D rendering is almost entirely the same calculation. Rendering is fairly unique in that it involves thousands of fairly trivial calculations that don't impact each other so they can be run on thousands of minimal processors simultaneously. Traffic management is minimal and solved in hardware. Some of your most expensive operations you can do are read-writes that are not generally necessary in how a GPU operates. And the 3D rendering possible has strict rules to simplify the linear algebra involved and make it as convenient for a computer as possible. It's why rendering "polygons" are always triangles and never squares. I recommend skimming the Red Book even if you only play games. It's a fascinating read and easy to find free.

By comparison opening a menu is an enormous operation that is limited to a single logical thread. It isn't hanging up because rendering a rectangle on the screen is that hard. It's hanging up because rendering that rectangle is the last step in an enormous data operation and I feel like anybody who even knows what programming is would be aware of that. Word processors and other data programs don't hang up because the letter 'a' is soooo hard to render.

Also there's the priorities. If a primitive just vomits all over itself and the rendering goes tits up for a single frame, or if a frame gets pushed out half finished or missing completely then nobody will care. It matters for 16 milliseconds. In other applications, especially online where packet security is important and data may arrive corrupted or missing portions and so there may be expectations to recover damaged or missing data through a communications delay that can be noticed by humans. Again the lag isn't in rendering a rectangle with letters on it. The lag is in the work you don't see solving other, generally more urgent problems that are designed so you don't notice anything went wrong but a brief second of unexpected waiting.

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>>11105
>By comparison opening a menu is an enormous operation that is limited to a single logical thread. It isn't hanging up because rendering a rectangle on the screen is that hard. It's hanging up because rendering that rectangle is the last step in an enormous data operation and I feel like anybody who even knows what programming is would be aware of that.
25 years ago, CPUs were 10 times slower just by clock speed alone, but they were still pretty snappy at 2D GUI rendering.  My home machine running Linux on 8-year-old bare metal with a lightweight desktop environment is pretty snappy.  I think Windows is slow due to bloat, useless eye candy, built-in spyware, and no real attempt to keep latency under control.

Somewhat related: https://danluu.com/input-lag/

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>>11107
That's interesting.  That's a kind of slow.

In your original post, I was thinking more of cases where you select Edit in Microsoft Office and it takes 7 seconds to draw the menu, or something.

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