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>>15173
It's like liking my little pony and then being asked to join the fan club that worships Hitler and plans to exterminate the jews.

Christ is an okay dude.
But Christians are steadily becoming insufferable trashbags of human beings.

>>15192

This %1000

American Christians are some of the biggest fucking greedy Pharisees. Cherry picking the Bible to justify being as unchristlike as possible and use a really fucking convenient "faith alobe" theology as a 'get out of jail free' card

>>15192
I'd posit that it's the same qualm, between the both.
Idiots who didn't actually read the book, or watch the show, presuming something based upon one line.
Both, presumed to be a 'love everyone'.

Jesus sat at the temple ground and crafted a whip.
He then used that whip to assault those who were perverting that temple.
He said directly, if you have a cloak and no sword, sell your cloak.
He isn't some peace-loving hippie as folk describe.

>>15193
As opposed to the people who aren't even christian, cherrypicking the Bible to justify browbeating political opposition with definitions and rules they are never beholden to in the first place...

Again, see >>15173

>>15196

And that's exactly why the Bible should stay far away from politics and policy.

>>15196

>said without any self awareness

and that comic is just wishful thinking by right-wingers. There exist leftists progressive Christians afterall. Don't pretend to think Christianity is some monolith with only one denomination, or that the bible is one book written by one person at one point in time. Ever heard of red letter Christianity? The denomination that addresses the contradictions between books of the bible by prioritizing what jesus says in the gospels above everything else in the bible, you know, the text often printed in red ink to contrast with everything else in the bible?

>>15195
>Jesus sat at the temple ground and crafted a whip.
>He then used that whip to assault those who were perverting that temple.

Yes, and who was he assaulting, specifically?

Talk about cherry picking!

>>15196
>they are never beholden to in the first place
It isn't about us being beholden to any of the laws of Christianity or any other religion it is holding the people that make the claim they are of said faith to them.

Lower your gaze or pluck them out.

>>15198
Sure they exist, but the folk preeching this kind of shit never are actual Christians.
>>15199
Moneylenders, shady dealers, and general dishonest crooks?

I really don't see your point in the slightest.

>>15200
The trouble is, it's not actual principles of Christianity that you hold folk to.
It's an idiotic presupposition built upon a surface level understanding, at best, that frankly has no weight whatsoever.

>>15201
What a great projection.

You should pluck out your eyes.

>>15202
And you should play in traffic. Would do the world a favor.

>>15204
I figured you would enjoy the reference.

Hurry up and die of alcohol poisoning  

>>15201
>Sure they exist, but the folk preeching this kind of shit never are actual Christians.

That's a no true scotsman fallacy right there. And quite a delusional one

>>15201
>Moneylenders, shady dealers, and general dishonest crooks?
>I really don't see your point in the slightest.

Yeah, cause you're a fucking hypocrite. Jesus also said it's easier for a camel to move through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven. He didn't turn his whip against the people you personally hate, he didn't turn his whip against people for being queer, foreigners or adulterers (he actually defended them from hypocritical Pharisees). Calling  them just 'those who were perverting that temple.' Is really fucking disengenuous giving yourself a floating signifier to include whomever you want in that category.

And no, jesus wasn't some entirely peace loving hippie, but the only people he was violent towards were the greedy in the temple. Otherwise he did say the most important of God's laws was to love they neighbor as theyselves and when asked who was one's neighbor, gave the parable of the good Samaritan to make the point that everyone god created is one's neighbor.

But you fucking hypocrites twist that shit aroubd to try and justify fucking fascism by completely ignoring the most important details about the only people jesus was violent against.

Jesus's whole point in his opposition to and criticisms of the Pharisees was that the spirit of the law was more important than the precise letter of it. People who twist the imperfect language of that law to justify doing things against the spirit of the law that the rest of the stories make clear are best described as Pharisees, which includes a good chunk of hate-addicted evangelicals who are ultimately worshiping themselves for being native born Americans and who label themselves Christian as a 'get out of jail free' card with a really fucking convenient 'faith alone theology'.

>>15171
One has to ask whether or not Jesus Christ was a completely failed prophet and preacher given that the central point of his ministry was to die on the cross in order to atone for the sins of humanity such that all can live in unconditional peace and grace having been saved by Him.

And then 99.9999% of the Christians throughout history have supported war, torture, slavery, genocide, the death penalty, and every conceivable form of violence that mankind can do to mankind.

I mentally and emotionally cannot understand divorcing Jesus as Savior from Jesus as God, only believing the latter to be true, when Jesus crying out to turn the other cheek and create a Planet without hurting and killing between peoples is exactly in tandem with why He died on the cross in the first place: out of love.

If history looks at Jesus Christ as anything, an objective take is that He was somebody who believed wrongly about the core of human nature: that we're basically evolutionary bred murderers and rapists conditioned to compete and struggle. Calling for us to view all men and women as our spiritual brothers and sisters, loving them, is pure stupidity. Alas.

Hitler and Stalin both perfectly personify the biological nature of the human race. People like Jesus are abnormal freaks. That's a fact. Sadly.

>>15226
>If history looks at Jesus Christ as anything, an objective take is that He was somebody who believed wrongly about the core of human nature: that we're basically evolutionary bred murderers and rapists conditioned to compete and struggle. Calling for us to view all men and women as our spiritual brothers and sisters, loving them, is pure stupidity. Alas.
>Hitler and Stalin both perfectly personify the biological nature of the human race. People like Jesus are abnormal freaks. That's a fact. Sadly.

That's a false dichotomy fallacy and oversimplies human nature.

Humans are by nature conflicted between personal individuals needs and interest and love for other humans, both a product of evolution, niether side is the 'default'.

Humans are born entirely dependent on other humans to get them to adulthood, and it's generally very difficult for any individual to support a newborn human alone for quite a few years. Historically the nuclear families of western 19th and 20th century cultures are an anomoly, most children had Historically been raised in multi-generational households and in addition depended on local community support as well.

Humans are not hyper individualistic or hyper collectivist, they're in between: they're tribal, but they can control their tribal tendencies through how they think about other people.

Jesus's values are not unique in history, he wasn't the last to preach and command people to strive for universal human compassion and he certainly wasn't the first. I don't personally believe Jesus was a specially anointed messiah or god as Christians do but I see him as one of many people throughout history that reflects the compassionate side of that internal and eternal conflict that is human nature